Podcast summaries

0:00:34 - 12:55 - Home, what might a healthy community look like?

12:55 - 16:37 - A quick description of what NNTD is about and what it tries to solve for.

16:38 - 23:51 - Trust Learning how to trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too and its role in creating a healthy community, what might a healthy community look like?

24:11 - 25:18 - Complaining everyone will constantly point out ways in which things are incomplete, complaints are sacred: how we affirm our values, protectiveness is damage control, defensiveness = protectiveness

27:08 - 32:17 - Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings and this is an important recognition when trying to build trust. sometimes things need to be said even though they feel like they really really should go without saying

32:18 - 40:03 - The taboo/awkwardness around discussing or questioning trust/motives in relationships. What heuristic should you use to establish trust?trust-building frameworks must simultaneously be trustworthiness-learning frameworks

40:04 - 56:41 - Forgiveness and blame in relation to re-establishing trust. Examples from personal situations. What is Blame?, everything makes sense, there's no way to communicate correctly or incorrectly - there's just what works in context and what doesn't work, apologize in the other person's frame; forgive in your own frame, building trust out of distrust, blindspot feedback is hard (but possible!)

56:44 - 1:02:52 - ~ everything is fertile fodder for learning/jazz - synergic exaptation

1:02:54 - 1:13:04 - Practicing Game B/NNTD in a world that is predominantly Game A oriented. How will it all play out? in the meantime What do we do in the meantime if we can't dialogue?

1:13:52 - 1:23:09 - Resolving differences in the Game B community. blindspot feedback is hard (but possible!). What is the difference between power-with, power-over

0:36 - 37:24 - Recording conversations - The social and therapeutic benefits, and the logistics of the process. Conversation As Medium blindspot feedback is hard (but possible!) ottergroup fishbowl frame dialogue frame

37:25 - 47:03 - Meeting Eric - connecting rationalism and 'trust dancing'. rationality Eric Chisholm Circling

47:07 - 1:08:42 - Interesting moments from my personal history. Earliest introduction to meditation. Getting started with LSA, rationality and Trust dancing. Mark Lippmann's meditation protocol Liminal Space Agency The Stoa Game B

1:08:46 - 1:23:39 - A few principles I learned from my time with LSA upward spiral fuel the upward spiral What is Blame? nobody is to blame building trust out of distrust trust-dancing is an element of all human interactions

1:23:45 - 1:33:48 - Is NNTD and upgraded version of Upstart's ideals and methods? Liminal Space Agency trust-dancing Game A Game B CirclingNVC

1:33:50 - 1:37:33 - Cultural gaps between the various methods for thinking about and navigating trust dancing. Circling NVC NNTD

1:37:35 - 1:56:43 - An example of how to use NNTD to resolve conflict between members of different friend groups NNTD building trust out of distrust NNTD has let me see how certain attempts towards trust-building will fail to build non-naive trust

1:56:46 - 2:09:14 - An example of how NNTD can help resolve disagreement around doing the dishes. obvious

2:10:17 - 2:19:12 - Experiments or practices to help you be more attuned to social dynamics, underlying trust needs and trust dancing opportunities/moments in general trust-dancing Learning how to trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too self-trust

9:40 - 18:36 - New insights on Questions Are Not Just For Asking

18:40 - 28:58 blindspot blindspot feedback is hard (but possible!) it's only possible to be rational within a frame make shared or different frames explicit Change doesn't just happen

29:11 - 43:49 - Reconnecting to desire, aliveness vs exhaustiveness Intend productivity Intend Philosophy & Paradigm how to think about goals PCT

43:50 - 1:02:10 - Understanding PCT PCT control systems internal conflict

1:02:27 - 1:10:32 - Why is Ian McGilchrist's brain hemisphere model valuable? McGilchrist's brain hemisphere model brain hemispheres much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly What are the components or dimensions required for collaborative culture? Geoffrey West Questions for teasing apart the concept of commitment commitment/choice is a confused way to relate to stances/mindsets

1:11:05 - 1:17:15 - 'Should's, i.e., "I should do this, or that" are not useful for generating intrinsic motivation, but are, at least, they useful as crutches for intrinsic motivation? internal conflict

1:17:54 - 1:35:18 - How do you wake yourself up from dream mashups? How do you interact with people projecting their dream mashups on you? Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings everyone is constantly overgeneralizing acceptance isn't the same as acceptance safety self-trust right hemisphere left hemisphere

1:35:30 - 1:55:32 - Domino memes, barn-raising, new ways to non-coercively collaborate. self-energizing barn-raising Game B

1:56:40 - 2:05:48 Jonny's rapid fire questions for Malcolm day off Home

7:52 - 11:48 What is game B and what does it mean to be a "game B thinker"? Game B Jordan Hall Jim Rutt Show

11:55 - 35:40 - The meta-crisis and the existential threats of the 21st century: AI risk, Global Warming, Supply chain collapse, etc.|| The difference between existential risk and global catastrophic risk The Challenge of Partial Control Destructive Global Capitalism Grokking Systems and Society community

35:41 - 46:10 - Defining hyper-objects fractal

46:10 - 56:49 - How fractals help us understand hyper-objects, differences in perspective and differences among parts in inner-conflict fractal fractal selvesGeoffrey West Books/Scale by Geoffrey West Books/Scale by Geoffrey West fractal selves internal conflict inner conflict internal conflict Higher Dimensional Thinking, the End of Paradox, and a More Adequate Understanding of Reality

57:56 - 1:14:21 - Differences in energy as a metaphor for differences in perspective perspective-taking much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term dialogue human superorganism

1:14:34 - 1:17:16 - Superorganism song ♫ Part 2

1:36 - 5:55 How can we help more people experience self-energizing motivation? self-energizing barn-raising

5:56 - 12:30 - Why is "barn-raising" the perfect metaphor for helping people launch their self-owned ventures? metaphor barn-raising collecting barn-raising resources self-energizing

12:48 - 19:43 - Have barn-raising sessions been effective so far? How can they be more effective if not? barn-raising Self-Organized Criticality

19:43 - 36:15 - Parallels between my vision of barn-raising and the work Trace is doing. synchronicities me as project advisor / biz consultant / design jammer / co-visioner Twitter

36:16 - 40:49 - What's the link between weirdness and success, if any? When does a thing become TRULY new? Or is everything a remix of a prior event? Everything is a Remix an original remix

40:51 - 58:00 - My long term vision of what I want the meta-team to eventually look like focus on what you want meta-team meta-vision collecting barn-raising resources how do we arrange the world so that I get to eat bananas in Canada and everyone is satisfied with the arrangement? UBI

58:01 - 1:34:30 - Helping Trace arrange work through the details on his course and on us working together. me as project advisor / biz consultant / design jammer / co-visioner Intend visakanv sacred gifts self-energizing

0:39 - 5:15 - Does mindfulness help productivity? productivity Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings everyone is constantly overgeneralizing anxiety

5:51 - 13:31 - What is at the core of good conversation? Conversation As Medium make shared or different frames explicit shared train of thought

16:10 - 20:14 - Can anxiety be useful? coercion what is coercion? anxiety

20:55 - 26:34 - Why are we working for money? Why are we doing any of this? happiness is worth it

26:36 - 39:37 - How do we use resistance and self-coercion to make better life decisions? do people naturally self-regulate how deep they're willing to go? commitment/choice is a confused way to relate to stances/mindsets dream mashups

40:59 - 47:40 - Why we can't change our minds Unlocking the Emotional Brain IFS partswork Coherence Therapy inner conflict

47:54 - 56:29 - What if gossip were good? what might a healthy community look like? doing community well blindspot feedback is hard (but possible!)

56:30 - 1:10:40 - Why is Ian McGilchrist's work important? Is his work factual or more metaphorical The Master and his Emissary intro left hemisphere right hemisphere

1:10:42 - 1:19:58 - Explaining how the hemispheres work using information processing/computation as a metaphor left hemisphere Categories, AI & Left Hemisphere it's the left hemisphere's job to have blindspots right hemisphere complexity systems thinking Donella Meadows resources for systems thinking

1:20:17 - 1:26:20 - What drives us to attempt to understand how our minds work? To understand the deeper parts of ourselves Behavior: The Control of Perception Perceptual Control Theory Hemisphere Dharma

1:26:21 - 1:33:37 - Is the conscious mind a solely passive mind? Change doesn't just happen unconsciousness Hemispheres & Self-improvement

1:33:39 - 1:39:51 - Is there a difference between the pursuit of truth and the possession of truth? Is Ian McGilchrist's model a good way to explain what goes on when a person achieves enlightenment long thread by nosilverv, that talks about heidigger's present-at-hand and ready-to-hand and self-improvement requiring self-as-object, and 4chan The Way of Effortless Mindfulness

1:40:11 - 1:46:43 - What makes for good conversation? left hemispheres aren't made for interfacing with other people Perceptual Control Theory control systems

Conversation As Medium solutions are way harder than problems the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem what does it mean to understand each other compromise is not what everyone wants Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings Dialectic Higher Dimensional Thinking, the End of Paradox, and a More Adequate Understanding of Realitywith any misunderstanding, it's possible (& usually worthwhile) to come to a place of profoundly mutually satisfying shared understanding just because someone has an articulation of a problem, doesn't mean their proposed solution is any good solutions are way harder than problems SimPol John Bunzl omniwin perspective-taking Coherence Therapy Questions Are Not Just For Asking the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem double bind contradiction there's no way to communicate correctly or incorrectly - there's just what works in context and what doesn't work meaning John Vervaeke

1:11 - 6:44 - How do you maximize agency in your life and the lives of your loved ones? What is agency? cooperation & defection aren't as obvious as they might seem (they depend on frame) IFS collective agency untangle social technology is more of a bottleneck than material technology adulthood land value tax two people adjusting behavior based on each other leading to multiple stable attractors doing community well list of common schemas learned in school

6:56 - 11:17 - If disentanglement isn't about maximizing agency, what is it about? How do we become more deliberate about our time and actions? untangle intentionality everyone is always doing whatever makes the most sense to them partswork Coherence Therapy everything makes sense dream mashups Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings self-trust comes from respecting distrust Learning how to trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too

11:58 - 20:10 - Why isn't society producing enough high-agency individuals? safety psychological safety Alfie Kohn punishment is goodharting waiting to happen protectiveness is damage control deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that intrinsic motivation

20:12 - 37.07 - How to navigate between allowing people make their own mistakes and intervening punishment punishment can't steer deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that An Everyone Culture in general, people don't not-care. they care about many things and don't know how to care for all of them together (PCT) reward is just the temporary relief of punishment scarcity much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly adulthood

38:04 - 42:59 - How can culture aid the creation of adults with agency? what is culture? land value tax two people adjusting behavior based on each other leading to multiple stable attractors doing community well What are the components or dimensions required for collaborative culture? how do we make groups with the union of their individual wisdoms rather than the intersection of their individual wisdoms?

45:49 - 55:04 - How do we inherit goals? How do we differentiate between our own goals and goals set for us? How can we do this in a useful and effective way? how to think about goals Everything is a Remix individuation list of common schemas learned in school School is fake averagerianism post-average