Eric Chisholm
- friend of mine since early 2013
- basically a brother to me
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What are the components or dimensions required for collaborative culture?
- Eric > in particular, things that people think are required but
- are more incidental
- are actually in the way
August 24th, 2024
- call w Eric Chisholm about who bears the cost of whose learning?
- loss of innocence
- political common-ground: maybe we all can agree that we don't want people to have to bear the costs of others' learning that they didn't sign up to bear
- gift someone couldn't know to ask for
- repetition legitimizes
- who signed up for this?
- who pays for this?
- inversion: who gets to learn from this mistake?
- memetic/bio evolution
- Malcolm Collins
- war: "you may not be interested in"
- supposedly maybe originally "the dialectic", not "war"
Podcast summaries
- Keywords: Eric Chisholm Sarah McManus Conversation As Medium blindspot feedback is hard (but possible!) ottergroup fishbowl frame dialogue frame blindspot Circling Liminal Space Agency NNTD upward spiral fuel the upward spiral nobody is to blame What is Blame? building trust out of distrust trust-dancing is an element of all human interactions Game A Game B Circling NVC NNTD has let me see how certain attempts towards trust-building will fail to build non-naive trust obvious
With Tasshin Fogleman — Podcast with Tasshin Fogleman Tra… › Outline of ideas discussed. (I'm M, Tasshin is T):
- 37:25 - 47:03 - Meeting Eric - connecting rationalism and 'trust dancing'. rationality Eric Chisholm Circling
January 6th, 2022
- I've talked with Eric Chisholm about the concept of being a "Middle Manager" in the sense of "managing the middle" where "the middle" is a phrase used to refer to something like
Podcast with Tasshin Fogleman Transcript
- Not that indirectly, but kind of indirectly. Yeah, and so I have an early memory of talking with Eric Chisholm late into the night at a party in early 2013. And I had shared with him, I think, the list of commitments and assumptions that the Waterloo group - which at that time wasn't actively using either of the names that I've used for it, but we'll just call it Upstart- I was showing him the commitments and assumptions from that, and he was like, "This seems really cool, this is really interesting." And I kind of made a note to follow up with him later. He's like the first person that was added to my Google Plus circles, or maybe it was just a contact group, I don't remember. Some sort of Google thing that I think somehow got linked with circles. But he was... you know, I added him to a list of people interested in this stuff. And then, he and I kind of lived this interesting sort of parallel life for a few years, where every August we would kind of travel to the Bay Area for the CFAR reunion, and, many of those years, Burning Man, and other, you know, the Effective Altruist summit and just kind of other events that were happening around that time. And so, for both of us, people thought we lived in the Bay Area, even though we didn't. And we were both Canadians, but we hadn't actually hung out in Canada until five years into our relationship. And at that point, he and a couple of other people came to visit the Upstart group in Waterloo, and that was sort of the first serious kind of cross pollination between the rationalist scene and there, which is something I've been oriented to for years. I was like, "Oh! These people who are trying to figure out how to think really well, in terms of rationality, these people are trying to figure out how to think really well in terms of like, co-thinking together, what if both..." And so that was a kind of early experience of that, and that was when I think I started to get a bit more of a taste of kind of who Eric was in terms of what he was capable of in certain senses. Like, you know, prior to that, he just sort of been like a guy I had cool conversations with. But there were a few moments in that experience, where he was like, able to kind of do some powerful facilitation of complex social scenes and stuff. [Self talk interlude]. Right, so I continued having a sense of him as somebody that I could often think with quite well over the coming months, and leading into us going to Burning Man together again, with this whole group in in 2018. And then in 2019, at the Maple bioemotive retreat, we were there, and something really funny happened in his birthday circle, where-
November 20th, 2021
- spent a bunch of time talking with Eric Chisholm about evolution becoming aware of itself
- this is related:
trust dance moves
Here's one model from August 3rd, 2020, with a bit of edi… › There are a couple of modes people are often in when trus… › People usually aren't consciously in control of which mod…
- added November 19th, 2021 in convo with Eric Chisholm - if people are really out of slack (eg person working paycheck to paycheck for an abusive boss) then they are in some sense maybe doing neither, but making the best available compromise
- can't trust their "no" or their "yes"
- but can honor that they are actually making the most of their situation given their capacity and their ontology and fractal careabouts
- relates to coherence empathy & second suffering
- "and this is why it doesn't pay to be a rescuer" - Eric
- the only way out of this, we think, is to get more slack
- which might involve material support
- or maybe the person needs therapy or some other meta-level help to get out of the situation
- or a friend to talk to to help them make sense of stuff
- or something
- of course, one is never obligated to support anyone in particular! if you don't trust yourself to support someone in a particular way without losing your own slack, don't do it! unless you want to!
June 27th, 2021
- tweet something about 3rd person perspectives @ 1h25:40ish
- Check out this conversation between two friends of mine, introducing a project that @LordChisholm and I are
- 1/ "Now, you're not [Malcolm] obviously, but you do work closely with him, and you're his friend and so on, and that relationship is sort of the genesis for this project you're embarking on that finds us having this conversation.
- 2/ (quote continued) "If you had to guess / go out on a limb and *try* and speak for him, what would you guess he sees in you that he wants to bring out through this project?"
April 10th, 2021
- see recording exploring this with Eric Chisholm on April 9th, 2021
April 7th, 2021
- blogpost ideas from convo with Eric Chisholm
- < some in private notes somewhere?? >
August 26th, 2020
I have an idea for an article about techniques for handli… › so far I have two specific ones: › take your cup out of the waterfall when it's full
- (there's some discussion of this in the last hour of May 11th, 2021 recorded convo w Eric Chisholm - useful stuff there worth harvesting when I go to write this up)