perspective-taking
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What are the components or dimensions required for collaborative culture?
- not empathy in an emotionally resonant sense, but seeing how the world looks from their vantage point - non-empathetic perspective-taking
- though also coherence empathy
- can my perspective safely include theirs?
- theory of mind vs situational reasoning
August 12th, 2025
- 1. consider a situation where you feel misunderstood, where there's been some conflict, you feel aggrieved, some situation played out in some way that resulted in blame, maybe some sense of
- 2. now feel into the sense that it made for you to do what you did. be with your own sense of what the situation looked like to you and/or what you were trying to do - whatever it is that the other person doesn't understand... YOU understand it. be with that felt sense. whatever they think, you did something that made sense at the time, at least locally.
- 2b. [if I'm running this live 1:1, I check (explicitly or implicitly) that they've got some of the felt sense of the self-validation / unspinning / deconfusion / etc vibe.]
- 3 (open when you're ready enough in terms of 2b)
- 3. now consider that I could run this exercise with anybody, and in particular I could run it with the other person in the scenario you're imagining, who doesn't understand you and is frustrated with you! and if I did, they would be experiencing the same sensation of how what THEY did also made sense to them. and how YOU don't understand them, and how it makes sense that THEY don't trust YOU, or whatever.
- 4. now imagine I walk THEM through step 3
May 25th, 2024
- though this tweet suggests that it's not just psychopaths
- > a similar result has also been observed in nonpsychopathic but conduct disordered teens. It’s called delinquency training. It is a real worry among researchers who treat disruptive behavior in children and adolescents.
- > "among 4th grade boys, perspective-taking superiority was associated with relatively more severe antisocial behavior...some children have high level social reasoning which they use to plan effective aggressive acts" onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1467-9507.00083
December 10th, 2022
@ 13:44 - trying to figure out what I'm doing with my wri… › hmm... choosing to do, vs choosing to allow › allowing the other's view/perspective/experience/desires,… › ahhhh there might be something around defensiveness = pro…
- insofar as there might BE a difference between these two, it might be something to do with my new model of judgment and perspective-taking
- (which I have a recording of an articulation of today - relevant section ends ~1h)
Podcast summaries
- Keywords - fractal fractal selves perspective-taking parallax Game B Jordan Hall Jim Rutt Show The Challenge of Partial Control Destructive Global Capitalism Grokking Systems and Society community much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term dialogue human superorganism Geoffrey West Books/Scale by Geoffrey West Books/Scale by Geoffrey West fractal selves internal conflict inner conflict internal conflict Higher Dimensional Thinking, the End of Paradox, and a More Adequate Understanding of Reality
- Conversation As Medium solutions are way harder than problems the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem what does it mean to understand each other compromise is not what everyone wants Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings Dialectic Higher Dimensional Thinking, the End of Paradox, and a More Adequate Understanding of Realitywith any misunderstanding, it's possible (& usually worthwhile) to come to a place of profoundly mutually satisfying shared understanding just because someone has an articulation of a problem, doesn't mean their proposed solution is any good solutions are way harder than problems SimPol John Bunzl omniwin perspective-taking Coherence Therapy Questions Are Not Just For Asking the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem double bind contradiction there's no way to communicate correctly or incorrectly - there's just what works in context and what doesn't work meaning John Vervaeke
- 10:48 - 46:10 - How to approach volatile/heated discussions? Higher Dimensional Thinking, the End of Paradox, and a More Adequate Understanding of Reality just because someone has an articulation of a problem, doesn't mean their proposed solution is any good solutions are way harder than problems compromise is not what everyone wants SimPol John Bunzl omniwin perspective-taking with any misunderstanding, it's possible (& usually worthwhile) to come to a place of profoundly mutually satisfying shared understanding Coherence Therapy Questions Are Not Just For Asking the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem double bind
- 57:56 - 1:14:21 - Differences in energy as a metaphor for differences in perspective perspective-taking much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term dialogue human superorganism
August 16th, 2021
Jordan Peterson re How to Listen to People › > the next time you get into an argument ... a rule. can … › have to achieve the other speaker's frame of reference
August 15th, 2021
- perspective-taking - ability to see the sense that it would make to have done something from a particular vantage point, and respect that sensemaking even once having more data later
- M > yeah, Beer Game as another source of non-empathetic perspective-taking
August 14th, 2021
Notes on Malcolm Ocean - Internal Trust-Dancing - interna… › Notes August 25th, 2021 › M is engaging with the parts less as "beings" and more as…
- practice of perspective-taking / multidimensional perspective
psychopaths
- Also, perspective-taking, when understood in terms of systems thinking, is an orthogonal axis from emotional empathy.
- Learning perspective-taking in this sense is high-priority for everyone, regardless of sociopathy, as it yields people being able to make decisions that care better for the larger systems they are participants within and rely on for their survival & thrival.
levels or kinds of reconciliation
- & getting to them requires some substantial amount of coherence empathy & perspective-taking