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trust-building frameworks must simultaneously be trustworthiness-learning frameworks

created 2021-06-27 · edited 2021-08-28 · open in Roam

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With Joe Lightfoot — Podcast with Joe Lightfoot Transcript › Outline of ideas discussed (I'm 'M', Joe is 'J')

32:18 - 40:03 - The taboo/awkwardness around discussing or questioning trust/motives in relationships. What heuristic should you use to establish trust?trust-building frameworks must simultaneously be trustworthiness-learning frameworks
- 34:52 - M > Even though these are just two completely different facts, right? Like if we take something very basic, like I might trust that if I do a handstand I'm not going to hurt myself, [and] somebody else might not trust that about me. But that's not personal, right? If you take a basic example, you can see how this is like, obviously, these are just two different things. But even with something like a basic physical skill, I myself have gotten very disturbed when somebody doesn't trust that I can do a physical thing without hurting myself. I'm like, "No, I can." It's like, "Whoa! Hang on, what's getting threatened there, right?" And so I think this is one of... this very taboo that you're pointing at is exactly the thing that the Non Naive Trust Dance, as I've formulated it, is intended to completely flip on its head. It says the most important thing to be able to say in a relationship is, "I don't trust you."

September 5th, 2021

I'm thinking more about my Sequence on NNTD and about this: › I feel like some of what I'm trying to say would benefit … › and I had a few ideas: › 1. make 2-3 separate lists of which topics in the current… › for instance, these ones are kind of clearly looking at t…

trust-building frameworks must simultaneously be trustworthiness-learning frameworks

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trust-building frameworks must simultaneously be trustworthiness-learning frameworks

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trust-building frameworks must simultaneously be trustworthiness-learning frameworks
- otherwise circular argument
- because trustworthiness is not just about some absolute objective thing but about interfacing
- and we need to learn how to interface with each other
- I'm not sure I can properly make the case that this is true, but it seems sort of obvious when I think about the "how we get there" thing
- #2tweet
- but also this is a weird headline, because like... who cares about trust-building frameworks