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July 24th, 2024
another writing day! › @ 10:17 - offline journalling in the park › I'm also pretty excited to write something that would go …
- huhhhh relatedly, there's a DIFFERENT punishment vs consequences piece that I would write up for LSA deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that
February 29th, 2024
- girl sentenced to same amount of time in jail as her friend spent in the hospital after she pushed her off a bridge... interesting case study re punishment... almost feels like a gap junction thing
December 4th, 2022
- I'm thinking about that case study where they made a fine for being late to pick kids up from the daycare, and they were hoping it would function as a punishment but instead it functioned as a cost that people were just willing to pay, so they were more late rather than less late
- and it strikes me that part of what's going on is that the cost was too low, but there might not have been a realistic way to make it higher in dollars, because if people were accidentally late then it would seem draconian or absurd or whatever
- but another part of what was going on is that the fine for being late to pick kids up, rather than narrowing people's awareness to "you must be on time" functioned instead to EXPAND their awareness to include "or you could pay a fine"
- which is coming from my recent recognition of the relationships between coercion and expanding awareness
- it's not exactly "awareness", but it is sort of couldness
April 5th, 2022
- > Is not rewarding someone the same as punishing them? i.e. can not giving someone a job really count as punishing them?
The answer is: Individually no, but collectively yes.
February 18th, 2022
draft of my thoughts on ethics / morality / moral realism › D) justification/blame-&-punishment/reward-based systems …
- E) psychopaths/sociopaths exist; it's unclear what to do about that but punishment doesn't work for them either (seemingly even less so than for most people)
January 12th, 2022
- punishment can't steer, it always goodharts
- thread:
Podcast summaries
- Keywords - cooperation & defection aren't as obvious as they might seem (they depend on frame) IFS collective agency untangle self-authoring social technology is more of a bottleneck than material technology intentionality everyone is always doing whatever makes the most sense to them partswork Coherence Therapy everything makes sense Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings self-trust comes from respecting distrust Learning how to trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too safety psychological safety Alfie Kohn punishment is goodharting waiting to happen protectiveness is damage control deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that intrinsic motivation adulthood An Everyone Culture in general, people don't not-care. they care about many things and don't know how to care for all of them together (PCT) reward is just the temporary relief of punishment scarcity much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly what is culture? how do we make groups with the union of their individual wisdoms rather than the intersection of their individual wisdoms? list of common schemas learned in school School is fake averagerianism post-average
- 11:58 - 20:10 - Why isn't society producing enough high-agency individuals? safety psychological safety Alfie Kohn punishment is goodharting waiting to happen protectiveness is damage control deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that intrinsic motivation
- 20:12 - 37.07 - How to navigate between allowing people make their own mistakes and intervening punishment punishment can't steer deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that An Everyone Culture in general, people don't not-care. they care about many things and don't know how to care for all of them together (PCT) reward is just the temporary relief of punishment scarcity much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly adulthood
September 4th, 2021
16:00 - starting a kind of writing block › looking at Sequence on NNTD › saw this page: how my thinking has transcended the Upstar… › looking at What's the deal doc (another unpublished piece… › and this obviously can't be published as is, but has a lo…
core principles of the NNTD
- this implies directly that not just that punishment can't steer but also that any kind of deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that
- I used to think the onus was on the person perceiving themselves as punished, to reinterpret things
- I now see this as a co-responsibility thing
Sequence on NNTD
- this would be good to do soon since it jives with PCT
- I did a twitter thread about this sometime June 2021
February 22nd, 2021
- something punishment and expecting or wanting to be punished
- > tbh kind of wish there were and that they would just tell me exactly what my crimes are and what the punishment is so i can just take it
- > it's painful
waiting for the trial and the punishment
and even more painful to accept that it may never come, that you must decide, that you must let yourself be loved before you are judged
(I feel this)