deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that
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July 24th, 2024
another writing day! › @ 10:17 - offline journalling in the park › I'm also pretty excited to write something that would go …
- huhhhh relatedly, there's a DIFFERENT punishment vs consequences piece that I would write up for LSA deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that
Podcast summaries
- Keywords - cooperation & defection aren't as obvious as they might seem (they depend on frame) IFS collective agency untangle self-authoring social technology is more of a bottleneck than material technology intentionality everyone is always doing whatever makes the most sense to them partswork Coherence Therapy everything makes sense Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings self-trust comes from respecting distrust Learning how to trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too safety psychological safety Alfie Kohn punishment is goodharting waiting to happen protectiveness is damage control deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that intrinsic motivation adulthood An Everyone Culture in general, people don't not-care. they care about many things and don't know how to care for all of them together (PCT) reward is just the temporary relief of punishment scarcity much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly what is culture? how do we make groups with the union of their individual wisdoms rather than the intersection of their individual wisdoms? list of common schemas learned in school School is fake averagerianism post-average
- 11:58 - 20:10 - Why isn't society producing enough high-agency individuals? safety psychological safety Alfie Kohn punishment is goodharting waiting to happen protectiveness is damage control deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that intrinsic motivation
- 20:12 - 37.07 - How to navigate between allowing people make their own mistakes and intervening punishment punishment can't steer deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that An Everyone Culture in general, people don't not-care. they care about many things and don't know how to care for all of them together (PCT) reward is just the temporary relief of punishment scarcity much of human collaboration scales sublinearly but it's possible to scale superlinearly adulthood
September 4th, 2021
16:00 - starting a kind of writing block › looking at Sequence on NNTD › saw this page: how my thinking has transcended the Upstar… › looking at What's the deal doc (another unpublished piece… › and this obviously can't be published as is, but has a lo…
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- this implies directly that not just that punishment can't steer but also that any kind of deliberate "negative reinforcement" is punishment even if you don't call it that
- I used to think the onus was on the person perceiving themselves as punished, to reinterpret things
- I now see this as a co-responsibility thing
Sequence on NNTD
- this would be good to do soon since it jives with PCT
- I did a twitter thread about this sometime June 2021