John Vervaeke
- what I have checked out, in order:
- convo w Anna Riedl (someone I've met!)
- 1 or 2 other convos with his collaborators
- Jim Rutt Show all parts (1-5)
- first ~35 eps of Awakening from the Meaning Crisis
- a convo with Jordan Hall re Emergence festival 2022 etc
- convos with Jonathan Pageau re collective intelligence
- convos with Michael Levin re ~fractal selves
- to check out:
- JRS part 5
- then maybe contact him re
- PCT
- collective consciousness & shared train of thought
- Jim Rutt Show all parts (1-5)
13 linked references
December 24th, 2023
re intersubjectivity becomes objectivity in the limit and… › > To the best of my understanding, something (i.e. a stat…
- — commenter on Paul VanderKlay's video showing Jonathan Pageau talking about John Vervaeke's language
November 27th, 2023
- John Vervaeke - ep32, minute 45 - 4P cognition
- perspectival knowing - salience landscaping
- procedural knowing - affordance obviation - knowing how to interact
Anglish
- loosely thinking about John Vervaeke's
- 4Ps
- and wondering if we can just get all four as basic words!
- english has know
- anglish also has wit
- scots has ken
- I mean it probably won't work but I would want that in a conlang or whatever
August 13th, 2022
infinite regress concerns regarding social modelling huma… › Unwritten rules: virtual bargaining underpins social inte… › yeah, this virtual bargaining thing is actually super fuc…
- just tweeted at John Vervaeke suggesting he check it out
June 21st, 2022
convo w George Woodliff-Stanley › something related to non-coercion & shoulds › eg Jess needing to go move her car, and that being clearl… › but I also made that more flowy by finding a win-win wher…
- (a win-win in part because it created a context for me to listen to a John Vervaeke convo I wanted to listen to)
February 16th, 2022
- watching Awakening from the Meaning Crisis by John Vervaeke
- huh, interesting, "wisdom" indeed declined then resurging
- > the very machinery that makes you so intelligent makes you susceptible to foolishness
- (seems related to brain hemispheres)
- project, object, subject
- all related to throwing
- project = throw
- object = something thrown against
- subject = something thrown under
- introspection developed in part through learning to pick up on others' mental states
- exaptation
- from biology
- repurposing something from original purpose to another
- evolutionary mechanism
- "tongues did not evolve for speaking"
- (if they did, all animals with tongues would be talking, which would be terrifying)
- brain exaptations & repurposing
- ~"the brain didn't change much between 160kya and 40kya"
- how do we actually know this? there are no bones of the brain to leave fossils
- maybe we know it didn't get *bigger*, but it could have developed new internal shapes
- 4 knowings
- (ep29)
- Propositional (rules) <== Procedural (skills) <== Perspectival (situational awareness / prioritization of information) <== Participatory (agent-arena relationship)
February 11th, 2022
- John Vervaeke part 4 on Jim Rutt
- good stuff about relevance realization &
- really juicy 1h23→
- "we should do the reverse—get really clear on the phenomenology of sacredness, then from there try to make new proposals about what the sacred might be"
- (the following segments on metaphor are also really good)
February 10th, 2022
- #2tweet < 1:23:45 - just before this in Jim Rutt + Vervaeke pt3 - good stuff about society-scale therapy & propositional tyranny >
- < 1:23:45 - just before this in Jim Rutt + Vervaeke pt3 - good stuff about society-scale therapy & propositional tyranny >
February 3rd, 2022
- wow, fascinating that John Vervaeke & Jim Rutt are talking explicitly about counteractive strategies to deal with "parasitic processing"
- like I definitely agree you need to deal with the whole at once, and on many levels
- but also, you can directly untangle the
- suffering as loss of agency
- suffering great joy
- dukkha as loss-of-agency
Podcast summaries
- Conversation As Medium solutions are way harder than problems the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem what does it mean to understand each other compromise is not what everyone wants Everyone is basically living in a dream mashup of their current external situation & old emotional meanings Dialectic Higher Dimensional Thinking, the End of Paradox, and a More Adequate Understanding of Realitywith any misunderstanding, it's possible (& usually worthwhile) to come to a place of profoundly mutually satisfying shared understanding just because someone has an articulation of a problem, doesn't mean their proposed solution is any good solutions are way harder than problems SimPol John Bunzl omniwin perspective-taking Coherence Therapy Questions Are Not Just For Asking the point of friendliness is not to avoid conflict, but to actually create contexts that allow for deeper, more intense, prolonged conflict over the long term the importance of being able to say that you don't yet know how to solve a problem double bind contradiction there's no way to communicate correctly or incorrectly - there's just what works in context and what doesn't work meaning John Vervaeke
- 1:05:19 - 1:08:11 - Searching for the meaning of life is misguided. Awakening from the Meaning Crisis John Vervaeke