June 27th, 2021
- tweet something about 3rd person perspectives @ 1h25:40ish
- Check out this conversation between two friends of mine, introducing a project that @LordChisholm and I are
- 1/ "Now, you're not [Malcolm] obviously, but you do work closely with him, and you're his friend and so on, and that relationship is sort of the genesis for this project you're embarking on that finds us having this conversation.
- 2/ (quote continued) "If you had to guess / go out on a limb and *try* and speak for him, what would you guess he sees in you that he wants to bring out through this project?"
- #2tweet aww see ddr fft
- tweeted
- This is a 2×2 poll about male-female relationships. Unfortunately this will exclude lots of people. Feel free to answer for a past version of yourself though! And poly folks, give whichever answer feels most representative.
Ok, the poll: you & your partner's armpits are...- both hairy
- both shaved
- man shaved, woman hairy
- woman shaved, man hairy
- working on Sequence on NNTD
- re core principles of the NNTD - is "principle" even the right word for this?
- always in search of a better metaphor
- Upstart had "commitments & assumptions"
- commitments are definitely confused in this context
- assumptions are sort of good but we mostly don't actually want people to be assuming things, except experimentally
- other ideas
- heuristics
- understandings
- observations
- knowings
- I just put "principles" into powerthesaurus.com and got back:
- rule, precept, tenet, belief, doctrine, canon, integrity, axiom, dogma, law, basis, morality, fundamental, proposition, rationale, idea, maxim, standard, creed, morals, rectitude, credo, probity, ideals, regulation
- and like, I kind of like some of these, though also, yeah
- current connotation & etymology both feel important
- "principle" has a cool & appropriate etymology
- > late 14c., "origin, source, beginning" (a sense now obsolete), also "rule of conduct; axiom, basic assumption; elemental aspect of a craft or discipline," from Anglo-French principle, Old French principe "origin, cause, principle," from Latin principium (plural principia) "a beginning, commencement, origin, first part," in plural "foundation, elements," from princeps (genitive principis) "first man, chief leader; ruler, sovereign," noun use of adjective meaning "that takes first," from primus "first" (see prime (adj.)) + root of capere "to take" (from PIE root *kap- "to grasp").
From the notion of "one of the fundamental tenets or doctrines of a system, a law or truth on which others are founded" comes the sense of "a right rule of conduct" (1530s).
It is often easier to fight for principles than to live up to them. [Adlai Stevenson, speech, New York City, Aug. 27, 1952]
Scientific sense of "general law of nature," by virtue of which a machine or instrument operates, is recorded from 1802. - "element" is suggested by this
- "axiom" is also pretty cool
- > "statement of self-evident truth,"
- > from axios "worthy, worth, of like value, weighing as much"
- "proposition"
- > mid-14c., proposicioun, "a riddle" (a sense now obsolete);
- > proposition (n.)
mid-14c., proposicioun, "a riddle" (a sense now obsolete); late 14c., in rhetoric, "a setting forth as a topic for discussion or discourse," from Old French proposicion "proposal, submission, (philosophical) proposition" (12c.), from Latin propositionem (nominative propositio) "a setting forth, statement, a presentation, representation; fundamental assumption," noun of action from past-participle stem of proponere "put forth, set forth, lay out, display, expose to view" (see propound). Meaning "action of proposing something to be done, an offered plan of action," is from late 14c. General sense of "matter, problem, undertaking" recorded by 1877. Related: Propositional; propositionally.
- I like "axiom" in the sense of "something that is supposed to be self-evident"
- because it potentially invites the conversation to explore the question of whether it's in fact self-evident to everyone involved?
- I'm also thinking about the phrase as far as I can tell
- what if instead of "core principles" we had a list of the AFAICTs of NNTD?
- anyway, I think I'm mostly going to go with principles for now
- "as far as I can tell" is a powerful way to own something that's self-evident in your frame without claiming it should be self-evident to others
- "of course / obviously" is a powerful way to communicate something that you understand to be common knowledge to be self-evident to everyone in the conversation
- but it will produce frame shear or frame pressure if used in a context where that's not so
- and potentially distrust or compartmentalization
- not just in a context where not everybody sees the thing as self-evident, but even in a context where everybody does but they don't have common knowledge
- more speculative writing on NNTD (as contrasted with generalized principles that I feel very confident in)
- August 3rd, 2020 re differences in learning trajectory for people depending on whether they've historically been more inward-blame or outward-blame
- There's something that I feel I uniquely understand as someone who has taken a lot of responsibility for causing tangles over the last few years... I feel I understand something about how taking responsibility for creating tangles or causing pain doesn't mean blaming yourself or that others are blaming you.
- continuing to feel like I have a perspective on this that's relatively unique among many of the people I've been involved with, and vital not just for integrating other men or power-over-history people, but also for the effective use of power in the existing system
- I think that those who come from a more internal-blame perspective can get much further in this work without acknowledging that to the same degree…?
- Things that could be described as not just like, inward mindset or judger mindset but like "your patterns hurt people" or "people can't trust you" which seems maybe harder to take in.
- I'm thinking about observing people have a flinchy "I/we didn't do anything wrong" response to someone's disappointment or frustration… that didn't seem to be curious about like:
- What was his experience?
- What could we learn from that?
- How can this help me see my own blindspots?
- If "I/we didn't do anything wrong" was as obvious to you as it is within a grounded post-blame mindset, then there's no need to even assert it. The assertion of it comes from a fear that that won't be obvious—an active maintenance of a non-blame frame in opposition to a fear of blame.