fractal Home
- This concept is discussed on the page for Home. Also since published as fractal Home
5 linked references
April 24th, 2024
- this thread is fractal Home, talks about how we get adequate distance from each other
September 6th, 2021
- impressively relevant to both fractal Home (quite literally) and also to what might a healthy community look like? in the physical sense (lots of cool related links in the thread)
August 1st, 2021
- Widening the Bridges: Beyond Consent and Autonomy - relevant to full-fractal buy-in and fractal Home
- recommended by Richard Bartlett
- it seems full of good stuff, though heavily using some frame I don't quite trust or vibe with
- (one dimension of which is that the whole site is in an anarchist context - site is literally called Center for a Stateless Society)
- and while I'm broadly into a lot of what anarchist folks talk about, some of the frames are missing key pieces from my perspective
- the first part operationalizes "fluid selfing" and so on
- cool bit on networked selves
- > Consent and autonomy both depend on some general recognition of a self through which we can determine both unjustified aggression and the locus of choice. For most situations this kind of works fine. Despite what any guru or academic may have said, there is definitely something that roughly aligns with the self or individual. Obviously this does not map perfectly in all ways though. The self is multi-determined, internally contradictory, and deeply interdependent on social interconnectedness. Empathy, for example, is imprecise. The difference between what an injured person feels and what a strongly empathic observer does is proof of self alone but in any case, blood loss only kills one of them. The brain is hundreds of billions of neurons organized into neural pathways and subroutines through repeated channels of action and thought. These paths can and often do contradict each other because the self is a networked phenomenon.
- then a bit on consent
- > The extent to which we can be seen or see another has structural limits and without a more full recognition, our consent processes are concurrently throttled.
- Quite a statement, talking about limitations of perception & language. Seems broadly true
- then autonomy
- > Autonomy is more so in the realm of the first, and least complex, view of the self. It recognizes a kind of individuality that honors things like personal boundaries and personal choice. Although autonomy is far closer to this static view of individuality, it can also be complexified to include a recognition of the complex self-building dynamic connections as long as those connections are not seen as undermining the primacy of individual choice.
- hmm
- 3 examples of intertwingled things
- decriminalization
- > even if drug addiction can create problematic cycles impacting both individuals and their networks, trying to eliminate their usage would create a net-loss in freedom that would quickly become authoritarian. This doesn’t mean that the freedom of many can be justified by the suffering of one, just that maximizing freedom must take into account the many layers of interconnected agency that make up factors such as suffering and joy.
- suicide
- > A third and final example is our right to make bad decisions and learn from our mistakes. Everyone does things they regret and everyone has watched people they care about make undeniably bad decisions. However, we all learn in our own ways and frankly, it’s our lives and we can even choose not to learn from our mistakes. But watching a child, friend, or lover make choices that we know will hurt them, hurts us. Not only does it hurt them, often we know that when it all blows up, we’ll likely be called in to help. Of course, we could choose not to help, but if no one else will it raises the above issues of obligation.
- > All three of these examples show how someone’s autonomous choices can impact us.
- > A racist may claim autonomy of their beliefs but we have an obligation to stop the spread.
- this is a great example of like "wow, this person has a totally different frame than me"... some sort of frame that has a right to autonomy of beliefs (not a right that had exactly occurred to me - wrong level of abstraction) but still sees ending racism as something that will happen on the basis of obligation as opposed to appetite & purpose? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- like I'm super baffled that an anarchist frame would invoke obligation at all - it seems completely incompatible from my perspective
- the piece even had a section a few paragraphs above about obligation, which seemed to agree with me that it's problematogenic
- > So when I finally asked for some basic help I left the caveat of, “I can also ask someone else if you can’t rn no worries” but everyone I asked was super down to help in an authentic way because friendship is built on solidarity and they had the space. So whatever minor cringe of discomfort and obligation I may have caused by asking, was outweighed in all cases by my suffering. An important piece of consent and autonomy is asking for what you need and trusting people to set boundaries as best they can.
- interesting. author seems to conceptually get this but not integratedly (not just in terms of emotional integration but also something like spiritual integration)
- > With intensity can come the honor and genuine joy of mutual-aid but also, real life is about making all kinds of sacrifices and doing tons of shit we don’t want to because we have to.
- yeah, this statement speaks to a lack of integration overall, I think
- but it's also true in the meantime even if a sufficiently integrated being would in some sense always be feeling enthusiastic towards the best possible move they're aware of
- (though I'm thinking also of chess masters sometimes feeling like "yes, this is a v good move" vs "hmm maybe this will do something okay?")
- I followed a link to this other anarchist bit
- > Anarchism does not represent a final state of affairs, but a direction, a vector pointing beyond all possible compromises.
- I like this! post-compromise
- although I'm not particularly inclined to use Anarchism to point at the thing I'm aiming for
- still, seems that there would be lots of allies among anarchists
Sequence on NNTD
- stuff about arriving Home together
March 15th, 2021
- re fractal Home
- something called Dragon Dreaming
- oriented towards eliciting everyone's dreams and orienting to how you could have them all come true
- finding underlying things that can be cared about that aren't in conflict
- PCT-style! / Method of Levels
- everyone writes activities that we could do that could make all these dreams come true