Malcolm Ocean's roamblog

December 24th, 2023

edited 2023-12-24 · open in Roam
  • mating dance - a take from Jess
    • > To the best of my understanding, something (i.e. a statement) is objective if it refers to a property of the object (the observed) and something is subjective if it refers to the subject (the observer). What naturally follows is that something is transjective when it refers to a property of the relationship between the subject and the object. For instance, when you say that, there are 40 degrees celsius outside, that is objective because it is a property of the object you are referring to (the weather). If you say that it's too warm for you outside, than that is a subjective statement because it refers to a property of the subject, it refers to the fact that you find 40 degrees to be too much. And when you say, I find my relationship to rock climbing meaningful, that is transjective. Meaning is not a property of the subject (you can put someone who finds rock climbing to wash toilets and he will not find it meaningful), nor is it a property of the objects (you can put someone else through a really awesome rock climbing experience and he will not like it). Meaning is a property of the right relationship between subject and object. This is why Dr. John Vervaeke, insists on the term tranjective, because he focuses so much on meaning and meaning is transjective. Now, to go back to subject vs object, I think the confusion comes from the fact that people equate objective with true. That is beacuse, an objective claim, which refers to a property of an object, should not depend on the subjects (that is, if another subject comes and looks at the same object, he should make the same claim as I). However, objective does not mean true. Objective, just means that it refers to a property of the object. You can make an "objective" measurement with a broken tool, and get a false measurement. The measurement is still objective, because it measured a property of the object (even if it's not the one you want), but false. Objective just means that it's a property of the object. True means it's true. You can have objective statements, which are false.
  • new design question as I hit post 5 in my I can tell for myself sequence
    • #nowplaying (pretty satisfying listening to A Name I Don't Know by After Cooking, which has a bunch of stuff about knowing and proving what is real)
    • if I'm going to include the stuff on knowing & co-gnosis here...
      • how do I segue well from post 5 (& maybe 6)
      • to the latter half of the big thing I drafted in Aug/Sept?
        • where does that start?
          • it starts with dealing with the situation where one person is in touch with their ICTFM and someone else isn't
    • and can I allow myself to consider not doing that?
      • I could call it an interlude, relevant but not necessary for the sequence
      • it does talk in terms of ICTFM, which is nice, but many post-this-sequence posts will also do that
      • but it doesn't heavily use or expand on ICTFM using that phrasing though...
      • ...and by the end of the post I'm sort of talking about knowings that don't have the ICTFM quality, or not obviously/directly
      • towards the top of the post I am tho, fuck
      • like that's what I'm getting at with a lot of the Santa stuff
      • let's re-read this post, with an eye towards where I want to go
      • one of the questions here is like, to what extent am I going to talk about the cognosis stuff before I talk about some of the problems that show up with gnosis differentials
    • okay, re-reading
      • right, from the top, the thing I'm pointing at in this post is
        • "my knowing is not your knowing, and they can't possibly be the same"
        • and then I sort of highlight knowing as a dynamic process
      • partway down I get to abstractions and generalizations
        • and this feels like something I want to pick up on
        • because part of what we know isn't just concrete facts
          • tho "santa visits on xmas eve" is already a generalization