Malcolm Ocean's roamblog

naive trust

created 2021-11-23 · edited 2021-11-23 · open in Roam

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August 9th, 2024

  • this #poem (Rest Stop by Chandler Peters-Durose) is an interesting case study of something about trust, naive trust maybe... NNTD mode 2: trust bet... also something about faulty sensory appreciation? like this person's past is full of abuse, which on some level they trust in the sense that it feels familiar...
    • When given the opportunity to connect with  
      No  
      To be welcomed back into your  
      Home  
      No  
      Family? 
      Do you take it? 
      //
      You reached out your hand and I took it. It felt too good —I pull away almost immediately
      I look behind me seeing the ash of my life I burned
      and I begin to cry
      Through the tears I see you next to me
      Still here
      Still—
      Here
      Tears tear through my body and we sit down on the bench. You hold me close
      Rest here as long as you need, im here and im not leaving, but you need me to promise that you
      will not go back. You made it too far
      Everything in my body says to turn back to the life I knew.
      I look deep into your eyes, and my voice shakes as I whisper ok, I promise  
      You do not let go as I watch the life I thought I knew disappear before my eyes.

November 23rd, 2021

  • interesting bit by Hephaistos Fnord about naive trust
    • > I think that convincing others that you genuinely mean them well is far more important than actually meaning them well.

      If you genuinely mean them well but fuck up, but they dont believe you, then you lose trust altogether.

      If you dont mean them well, but they trust that you do, then they will continue to forgive your "mistakes", which will allow you to keep learning until an equilibrium is reached.
    • > Trust, even misplaced trust, is more important than sincerity. Once trust is gone, you simply lose the ability to continue learning the "how".
    • source
    • > FINALLY, because of Goodhart's law, virtue signalling, or whatever you want to call it, it is more costly to actually be trustworthy than it is to deceptively maintain trust. Since people are having to allocate a scarce resource (their attention and time and trust), this is a zero-sum competitive game, which means the bad actors will drive out the bad [I assume he meant good].
    • > Which means that to continue, you need to abandon caring for others, simply to maintain the competitive illusion that you still do.