Malcolm Ocean's roamblog

February 10th, 2021

edited 2021-02-10 · open in Roam
  • This is a really excellent take on death as just one of many limitations, not fundamentally different than only being able to be in one place at one time. Resonates a lot with how I want to think of things.

    I asked Catherio to post this publicly so I could share it!
  • the "better horse" fallacy - the apocryphal Henry Ford quote
    • you want to ask your customers for lots of feedback, but first you want to get them out of their current local optimum / attractor basin
    • once you shift from horses to cars, people can give useful feedback about improving the cars
    • R > my notes on this idea
      • Pain point with knowledge mgmt
        • Manage Overload
          • (always too much stuff)
        • Get Long-term Value
          • (easy to think)
          • multi-armed bandit problem
      • example tabs
        • twitter, LW, supermemo.guru, roam, hpmor
      • can
        • assign priorities
        • update those over time
        • read only part of something and save the rest for later
      • stuff starts with random priority, could reassign as stuff shows up
      • (already getting a read that these guys are on a totally different wavelength to me)
        • like they're more rationalisty vs postrationalisty
      • on twitter, threads are very ephemeral
        • by adding it to the queue, you could see it in months/years
      • need some sort of resolution system, after finishing
      • spaced repetition
        • you and your research - Hamming
          • takes a long time to summarize
        • (maybe these guys want to uhhh be a development arm of what Andy Matuschak's doing?)
        • M > OHHH you're building the process of creating the cloze deletions into the spaced repetition
        • R > supermemo basically already does this, has this workflow
          • can have a thousand articles and not go insane
          • but the interface, a lot of people don't like
          • and learning curve is really steep
          • lots of friction - you have to import the articles manually
          • but with our solution, you'd do all that directly in the browser
    • Mal > I like some bits here, but it's not quite seeing the space the same way I am
      • (maybe these guys want to uhhh be a development arm of what Andy Matuschak's doing?)
      • A > he's busy
        • M > but he needs people to implement stuff
    • A > gonna connect stuff
      • a tab you can think of as an intention, or a thing I might do
      • we don't want to track that all in our heads
      • browser gives us one way of storing that
        • big list, not particularly ordered
      • tinder for tabs lets you view that as a queue, manipulate it quickly, garden it
        • tools to prune & maintain
      • spaced repetition contribution is like, if we have a cool thing for ingesting a queue, but what actually do we want the datastructure to be
      • with a queue, it's better than an ungardened list, but a lot of times when we engage with stuff, the optimal schedule isn't to engage with it now or never, but repeatedly over time
        • particularly with memorization or learning
        • but also a lot of intentions you might have - a queue is not the right metaphor
        • intentions commonly have a repeating structure
        • R > have the default unit of acting on something be "do the entire thing", that's terrible
          • incrementally write out something in the thread
          • can kind of half-ass it, do as much as you want then move on
          • third time you look at something is going to be much different
          • memory consolidation
        • A > I want to interrupt you - you're making a persuasive case about something we haven't heard Malcolm's reaction to
    • Agrippa Kellum > our contribution is focused on the juiciness algorithm
      • priority
      • M > 1-100 priority rating doesn't matter! it's meaningless! juiciness is about what I'm vibing on
      • A > crux here
        • A > if I spend a day excited about something, there's almost nothing that will reignite that
          • I want to program my future self, and I can't. I'm just a slave to whatever's recent
          • I'll return eventually somehow to something I was thinking about, and I'll be like "how did I ever let go of this? this was so important"
          • I can't keep track of all of the intentions I have and how much they matter to me
          • and because of that I have to execute a really shitty algorithm instead
        • M > see I'm trusting my own sense of what matters, in each moment
          • much shorter time horizon
          • wanting to reply more immediately
      • M > metaphor for the tinder thing
      • M > filter by urls, eg all tweets
      • R > explore vs exploit
    • how to learn design
      • M > Trinley Goldenberg interview with me
        • human factors
          • user never makes mistake - they do what makes sense given what you gave them
      • Malcolm spends a lot of time excited about something and wants to follow that. I spend most of my time not excited and then I reconnect with something i was previously excited about, get excited, and scream.
      • i want incrementalism as A TOOL FOR MAXIMIZING MY EXPERIENCE OF EXCITEMENT!!! like thats why i want it. so this conversation of the priority queue being *at odds* with excitement is super interesting and making me reframe a lot.
      • I notice im finding it really pleasant to write notes / chat contributions without speaking while Raj and Malcolm converse.
      • and I'm noticing that it's also not nearly as draining / i'm no longer feeling like I must exit soon.
    • R > FOMO
      • M >
        • don't miss out on what is happening because fixated on fear of missing out on other stuff
        • you're always missing stuff
          • there's an epic party happening somewhere that you're not at
        • burning man thing
          • how do I want to spend this week?
          • not
          • do I want to miss burning man?
            • because even if I go to burning man, I'm still missing 99% of burning man
    • A >
  • Very exciting InterRoam concept!
    • > Dallas: "Well, it *is* slimy. That's...kind of the point of lubrication, is to be slimy, so that things that might otherwise snag on each other don't, and instead glide past each other."