Trinley Goldenberg
- formerly/also known as Matt Goldenberg
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August 5th, 2024
- Trinley Goldenberg would surely have something
March 25th, 2024
- ahh also this ~thread/reply to Trinley Goldenberg
January 25th, 2023
- short sequence lesswrong.com/s/8RpeegksiYavJrSA5
May 17th, 2022
- coercion - adding worse problems beyond the intrinsic
- tho a Q of: what do you do if/as you're wanting to internalize some intrinsic but easily externalized consequence?
- (in particular, feeling bad)
- "I'm not ready" voice
- goodhart
- coherence, PCT
- different schools
- MattG
- not philosophical
- dropped out of college because couldn't make myself do the things I wanted to do
- tried to make myself do things
- got into "coercion" concept via twitter/tpot
- phenomenological
- self-coercion is fighting against yourself
- can be useful, almost always wasteful
- (wasteful compared to what?)
- (can we talk about efficiency here? 0-100%)
- reality is going to put up enough resistance
- noncoercion allows you to integrate all the wisdom you have
- but it only allows you to integrate all the wisdom you have
- (hmmmmmmmm)
- could use coercion to control a system that doesn't have that wisdom even in the limit
- MG > The Art of Learning book
- 3 stages
- flow with no distractions
- flow incorporating distractions
- generating flow internally
- MAPLE
- theory of change
- extreme discomfort, so become internally frictionless
- need for adequate ramps #tosay
- IPF or something
- any time you experience friction, it's pointing out a place where you're not there
- deliberately stirring that up, so they can be worked through through contemplative practice & training
- MO > potential for retraumatizing if not in zone of proximal development
- exmaples
- Soryu > quality of teacher is how high a wall they build
- (directly opposes need for adequate ramps #tosay)
- goodharting
- respecting tradition = respecting cultural coherence
- although it's... not necessarily possible to introspect on this???
- eg the casava or whatever
- this tall to ride paradox
- (ah, I didn't actually convey the 2nd half of it, which is that part of what you're trying to train is self-trust, and the exact people who need to learn self-trust are exactly the people who will guru-fy you)
- commitment
- got lay-ordained - for lifetime & trillions of lifetimes
- precepts, refuges, etc
- committed to looking at the end of 5 years and asking if the things I'm creating to do the things I want to do, and if at the end of 5 years I don't have that, then I'll commit to relinquishing my direct action on the world, to where I'm
- considering committing to MAPLE itself
- the 90% knows that the 10% can only be integrated by facing it
- desperation - you can get really desperate but still not know how
- focus on the knowing, not the desperation
- desperation can result in creative solutions
- but empirically eg monetary pressure makes people myopic
- story from me this morning
- not knowing how to be in silence
February 24th, 2021
- Trinley Goldenberg > another thing we need language for is this distinction between
- everything you're aware of is your own perception / in your head
- there's still a territory though
February 10th, 2021
- M > Trinley Goldenberg interview with me
- human factors
- user never makes mistake - they do what makes sense given what you gave them