frame strength
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July 19th, 2021
- Aella has some great stuff on frame strength here - a useful different angle on frame battle / frame override
- > It's fuzzy, but I have some faint idea of a specific style of frame-strength. Some people tend to carry more gravity than others; it's often super subtle (or sometimes not), it's sometimes damaging but sometimes not - but for whatever reason, when their view of reality collides with a lower-gravity frame, theirs "wins."
- > I don't mean they win on the object level, I mean their frame 'eats' the other frame, even if the disagreement still exists, or if it's just a preference thing; a super oversimplified example if Strong-Frame Steve thinks a hat is amazing, and Weak-Frame Wendy thinks the hat sucks, then it's more likely that Wendy will come away from the interaction being like "I do think the hat sucks, but maybe my hat-suck view comes out of some deeper judgmentalness in me, I wonder why I can't see how cool the hat is?"
- > Whereas Strong Frame Steve won't have a corresponding reaction, *won't* have a subtle check to see if "have I missed how out-of-style this hat is? Is my taste real shallow?" He just.... thinks the hat is cool and moves on.
- > I'm real susceptible to it in individuals too; there've been multiple times where I felt drawn in and really trusting of charismatic strong-frame people because of their strong frame, and then when separated from them/their ideas for a while, I go "wait a damn freaking second, I trusted them because of the frame, not cause of the ideas, and I also lost touch with myself somehow in connection with them."
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- further comments disambiguate:
- > 1. i don't think it's the same as 'frame control', though it's got lots of similarities. Strong Frame feels... maybe closer to an 'absence' of doubt, while frame-control features a lot of active or deliberate moves in a conversation. (I do think ppl who frame-control often usually have Strong Frame, though)
- > 2. I don't think it's the same thing as wanting to please someone in social power; I know several friends in high social statuses who don't have Strong Frames, even if they're largely confident and not insecure.
- > 3. I don't think it's exactly the same thing as self confidence, although it probably has a lot of overlap. I can think of many people who have a ton of self confidence, but who don't feel like they have the Strong Frame effect.