Naryan Wong
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January 20th, 2023
- emergent strategy game alpha play with Naryan Wong
- card ideas for myself
- facilitate external conflict
- facilitate internal conflict
- help person boggle about implications of having tasted collaborative culture
- I have THOUGHTS
- I feel like the game needs playmats
- like I'm imagining a bit of a
- that has PERSON
- their $ in/out
- (present, future, total)
- their time commitments
- their communities/connections
- their location
- and then slots for like romantic & family fulfillment
- oooooh which reminds me of the Business Model Canvas
- we also need something like a CONTAINER card
- like "online self-based workshop" is a container
- puerto rico retreat is a container
- they're not totally fungible but this is a real natural category
- I mean maybe container is just a type of resource?
- and then you have a card that is "create container X"?
- part of the power of having containers be their own cards, not just a container, would be like... a container could have a custom playmat that requires certain resources to run, then creates certain affordances
- the thing so utterly needs backlinks, and for cards to have like... actual identities
- the resources are super vague
- "learning" is like, not actually fungible at all at all
- money seems to exist at so many scales
- like Naryan put a $10/mo hosting fee on his website example, but imo that should be considered free at the scales we want to talk about... maybe $ measures hundreds of dollars... which I guess that would cost over the span of one year!
- $ = $100
- $$ = $1000
- $$$ = $10k
- $$$$ = $100k
- $$$$$ = $1M
- different types of resources
- some input resources get consumed (eg time/money)
- whereas others (eg network, awakeness, learning, Complice) don't
- some resources feel like mostly input or output, or something
- input
- organizational skill (I guess this is getting kind of hidden by simply "this person has the skill to run this")
- output
- other resources needed
- audience / attention
- 👁️ awakeness / mindset
- surface area of the scene
- (like I sort of want to have different resources for different phases in the funnel??? tho there is no single funnel)
- Naryan's aim with this seems to be largely "how do we decide what to work on and how to help each other?"
- I have a subtly different default aim, which includes inspiring other people to take things on
- huh, feels like there's an important role here also for the kind of economic mapping Benjamin and I did in 2016, of like
December 14th, 2022
- Naryan Wong call
- headlines
- N > puerto rico teaming
- M > my structural plans changing
- N > reintegration - divergent learning
- M > satisfaction jamming with Michael "Valentine" Smith
- N > creating maybe a site for stories from our network to be surfaced
- M > growing complice, writing as @CG re nonco, exports from Game B economy
- N > have shared your ontario writing in PR, lots of resonance
- M > challenge of trust-dancing w Jess
- N > convos w eg Emerson at Nonlinear in EA - starting to become legible... funding?
- M > starting to look at fractal altruism / post-EA
- N > retreat in PR w Alton caused updates away from AI as priority and more towards systems & collaboration
- M > Facets of Unity, seeing my place in the puzzle
- N > I'm starting to look at different parts of the network doing different things
- sense that what I'm doing is bringing Malcolm/LSA ideas to market
- N giving people a taste
- M doing more like "okay, given taste, now wtf?"
- Phil looking at wisdom fund
- N > collaborative wingspan games
- wanting to create a situation where we can share what cards we have an what we need
- figure out which engines to build
- N > lots of energy in TB etc to deepen existing connections, more than inviting new people in
- and also the taste seemed to impact PR squad a lot
- PR trip
- our squad of 4: me, Eileen, her partner Benya, her friend Sierra
- started to refer to ourselves as The Organism
- did event to help Alton's Skyway thing
- N > part of what I'm teasing out is that I'm the only one who's had direct contact with LSA & you
- the whole group was in learning flow the whole month
- and the broader network was able to see that we were doing something quite differently
- not-for-profit guy I'm collaborating with at Food For America (?)
- "leaving people behind"
- what would it mean for [people] to feel like they're really with us, without being on the edge with us?
- = David's new generator, based on feeling of being left behind from BTNYP
- re funding, Emerson
- if you invite people into a systems-eye view of coordination problems, does that enable you to solve them?
May 27th, 2022
- call w Naryan Wong
- giving people a taste
- running NGLL - Next Gen Leadership Lab
- people were tasting magic in the space
- Ben, Teresa, Phil, Yuli were doing magic as participants
- active ingredient is not what we teach but the space we hold
- portals between TB4, Emerge in Austin, Collective Presencing in Belgium
- makes me wonder if it makes sense for me to host a 1-day event in SF with some people, and portal in as well
February 17th, 2022
- convo with Naryan Wong
- during which I found
- my old 2015 What are the components or dimensions required for collaborative culture? (which I probably see very differently now)
- what is it? it's not just a secret, there's a capacity involved too
- what is the core that needs to be nurtured until it's strong enough the the trappings can be stripped away?
- 1. not being subject to the majority of one's own thoughts
- is that necessary? I imagine someone in H3 who is subject to most of their own thoughts. It's more like H1
- is it sufficient? No... you'd also need...
- 2. holding others as beings with subj & obj (not necessarily those terms)
- ...this implies that much of your interaction with someone can just be with those patterns and the patterns aren't them
- is that necessary? I imagine someone in H3 who doesn't hold others this way... my simulation suggests that the person is at least somewhat judgmental
- is it sufficient? I imagine someone with both 1 and 2, who is not in an H3 mindset. They might also need...
- 3. a desire to understand and empathize with others' experience, and a capacity to do so
- is this necessary? yes, otherwise the person would be cold and disconnected
- is it sufficient? I imagine someone with all three, who is not in an H3 mindset...
- 4. growth mindset, including for others, and probably quite a lot of it
- ...arguably #2 contains this, but if we're strict then it doesn't
- is this necessary? yes, otherwise it would produce either despair or elitism
- is this sufficient? I imagine someone with all four, who is not in an H3 mindset...
- Abstractly, it's hard to imagine someone with all four who is not in an H3 mindset.
- Do I *know* anyone who has all four of these capacities, who is not in an H3 mindset?
- Thinking about these people in general it seems that there is a fifth thing, which is the main thing lacking in most circles:
- 5. a model of the main pattern dynamics and the ability to interface with them constructively
- is this necessary? maybe not in a world where everyone grows up H3y, but for now certainly and probably even still then
- is this sufficient? It feels important to note that this needs to be not just a conceptual model but a working model that can be used in the heat of things
- N > neat hearing how your ideas are evolving
- yours seem to be changing a lot via dialogue, generating ideas
- whereas I feel like I'm practicing ideas I'm reading about
- which gives me an embodied sense
- and I rarely feel an urge to write further about it, because your writing exists and I can simply point people to it
- M > curious if you have a sense of what you're hoping I talk about on The Stoa
- N > I'm main reference for most people I know for stuff like H3
- so I'm mostly excited to point people at this as an example of a style of thinking
- I might even make an hour long debrief with my own learning community
- who do you recognize that showed up here?
- I still haven't grokked the NNTD
- but maybe by leveraging my learning community, we might be able to make sense of what it is you're talking about
- not sure what NNT vs NT is
- except in rationality terms of better bets
- M > I guess I basically just need to give enough of an intro that the audience questions aren't bad
- Dee Hock's speech