January 17th, 2020

Dimensions of Growth

• Notes from Doug's Four Facets/pillars talk January 17th, 2020
  • "Why do enlightened people do dumb things?" (the motivating question)
    • This one is sort of interesting, and strikes me as sort of an odd question from the context I've come from.
      • Like why would one have assumed that it would? People did, of course, and do, but that largely seems downstream of guru stuff among other things.
    • And yet there is also a sense in which I also orient to the idea of a synergic mode in which it's impossible to perform an unethical act (this is a quote from Synergic Power). So what is that?
      • And to what extent is it one thing or multiple things? eg a car needs an engine, wheels, steering, seats, etc.
      • It seems that that requires samesidedness, at minimum. It may also require some amount of having already processed your traumas etc. It doesn't presently seem to me that it requires a particular developmental level per se, though it may require stepping sideways from the left hemisphere fixations from
  • Interesting question for me emerges here in relation to my dream mashup metaphor.... Which seems to kind of relate to all of the classic Four Facets...
    • Or particularly Doug's piece about Look Around
  • And moreover, what role does samesidedness play. I'm thinking about the bit from Ecker 1996, about fifth order schemas
    • They describe a self-creating purpose, as well as a potential not-self-creating purpose. But it seems like there is in general a possibility to create the different ~5th/6th order thing that isn't no-self but has a fundamental samesided quality.
    • This seems to be at a sufficient level of generality & meta that it can be installed without needing to uninstall all of the 4th order schemas first or something...
    • It would then serve to unravel the stuff at 4th-1st
  • Eckhart Tolle clap exercise: close eyes, breathe, then after he claps, name the first thought that comes to mind,
  • "in disidentifying with your thoughts, what are you going to be?"
    • ...pure awareness
  • "I talk about cleaning up in terms of Physical, Emotional, & Intellectual brains"
    • Intellectual mostly just pointing at beliefs that are known to be inaccurate
  • Muscular interference theory of repression
    • Found huge correlations (0.5-0.7) between which muscles tense and which mental health issues they have. Got an APA award for this... Wondering if QRI might be interested in following this up, as it seems to maybe relate to their present work
  • "you can be high on any one of these dimensions and be mistaken for a spiritual master... temporarily."
  • Oh. Hm. I guess samesidedness could sort of be pointed at by talking about SD-Tier2...
    • The developmental dimensions doesn't afford this through Kegan's model, which would implies one couldn't be samesided or whatever until stage 5...
    • Similarly, the dozen-ish stage dev model in Hanzi's book doesn't cover this at all, I don't think. It's better for abstraction than many of the other models though; I'd like to learn it.
    • Hanzi Freinacht's book The Listening Society has four different pieces
  • Doug has apparently been working on some koans/mantras for prompting a shift from one developmental stage to the next
    • Like he gives something to someone at traditional, and they mull on it and end up modern.
  • Oh man, grow up sort of includes
    • Hanzi dev
    • What SD level is your culture at
    • What relation do you have to that culture