> something happens at a different point... there's a different atmosphere... a possibility of understanding things in a different way
...definitely some part of me that is guarded towards Jean-as-teacher, being on this stoa call with
Liminal Space Agency folks
which is interesting in the sense that nobody is even saying that!
but it is obviously super relevant
I really like the written piece: somebody has to point something out
although there's a puzzle of like... who guides you into which meditation practices etc?
> 3 elements of eG
receptive presence
ethical maturity
personal autonomy
I'm getting the sense that Jared is a founder/designer of the eG container, but maybe started in a student role along some other dimension? while codesigning it with Charlie? not sure this is accurate but seemed worth asking about? because it implies neither a single-hierarchy model nor an egalitarian model
mmm this is sort of a general puzzle/challenge with scaling mysticism in general while keeping it alive and not having it turn into a kind of "dead" religion
> exoteric pretty easy:
> courses, guided processes
> can be systematized & made available to vastly more people should vastly more people want them
esoteric...
Andrew Connor > witnessing the learning process is very helpful
traditionally, being trained in a very particular system (eg chemistry)
but very few contexts where individuals are being facilitated in their own metasystematic learning
transmission
drawing primarily on yogic/village practice
constantly integrated
going to cave for a couple hours
but constant movement between personal practice and creating these little containers/retreat experiences, moving back into ordinary life
"chöd" is pronounced much like "should" (but voiced first consonant)
vividness in every relationship
how to see every conversation as an opportunity for transmission?
upcoming kaleidoscope course
connection with "learning relationships"
M > practice of seeing everyone as buddhas
C > practice of "pure view" or "pure vision"
aspects of risks
M > risks whether you're orienting with a "learning relationship" energy to a skilled practitioner vs a random guy at a bus stop
C > our approach is bounded contexts for doing that
just for the sangha
or just for the duration of the retreat
we're going to enter in a particular way of being in relation to each other
that is characterized by this utter regard & assumption that the other is being the best possible self and that they are inherently fundamentally okay
everyone is already always totally alright
but lots of other views, eg Christian view of sinners
timeboxed sandboxed retreats/gatherings
"assuming that we're not out to get each other"
(huh, I feel like I could give a talk to eG on this from an NNTD perspective)
my view is more selfish haha
everybody's behavior, including neuroses, is an opportunity for me to integrate my own wisdom
my own distrust of them is my own wisdom
J > can be a specific deliberate practice of seeing people a particular way
developing an appreciation for a way of being
"natural" experience
you could be not trying at all to see people as perfect in some strange way
but as a result of your practice, you find yourself doing that
so can be both formal/deliberate or spontaneous/natural
august 6-10 — eG having a community retreat (those dates open to public)
zen phrase
all beings ceaselessly preach the dharma
M > khordu khandro mangpo khor
both terrifying and benevolent+desirable, and can teach you in both forms
J to Charlie > you weren't acting like a teacher, you weren't displaying as a teacher
C > if you swap out "teaching" for "communicating"...
...everything is communicating, all the time!
in different states of awareness, more communication becomes available
C > we talk about personal autonomy, and people think they have it
but if you look, you can see how ALL THE TIME people are looking for permission etc
"oh - I'm scared"
or default contentiousness - can't get off the ground
M >