Malcolm Ocean's roamblog

Jonathan Leung

created 2021-07-03 · edited 2021-07-03 · open in Roam

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July 3rd, 2021

  • talking with Mark Lippmann & Jonathan Leung about NNTD and layering
    • Malcolm > blindspot
    • Mark > layering = any change to system that locks in existing system organization, blocking further change and occludes layers underneath
      • subset = counteractive layering
        • change that's made is in opposition to the layers below
      • Mark > IFS is almost purely for dealing with counteractive layering, so is Feeding Your Demons
        • buddhist "fabrications" seem to map almost 1-to-1 with layering
        • talking about "right effort" - "wrong effort" = layering
    • system blindspots at all scales
      • Mark > writing about domain-specific knowledge
        • a single system can find everything up to the data it's collected
        • Mal > do you think it's possible to collect enough data to be confused about something, but not enough to understand it?
          • Mark > yeah. gets stuck in agnostic state
            • then you have to go out in the world and get more data (deliberately or serendipitously/intuitively)
      • J > circling has a bunch of cool blindspot feedback
        • Mal > and thus a lot of layering?
          • probably depends somewhat but seems likely
          • J > yes, definitely
            • especially since people try to copy teacher moves, while not being as awake/compassionate
    • J > Domain Focusing: focusingnow.com/domain-focusing-self-guiding-form/