Malcolm Ocean's roamblog

January 2nd, 2024

edited 2024-01-02 · open in Roam
  • my threads on twitter accidental thread about naraka
  • my threads on twitter - short thread on New Years Eve, chronos/kairos, ritual
    • the idea of "web browser" is woefully out of date
    • maybe what I make will also get called a browser, like we call smartphones "phones"
    • but I want to take seriously the idea of making something new in kind, and not limit it by conceiving of it as a "browser" first and foremost
    • to a large extent I am orienting to building an operating system, I just don't want to do kernel stuff (at this phase anyway) and the internet is a nice modular abstraction layer already, where the engine is very cross-platform etc
    • random desiderata
      • intentionality
        • for the system to have a sense of "what am I doing right now?" that affects both the structure and the style of the UI
          • if you go to do a small thing, it hides all the other stuff in various ways
          • once complete a thing, it gives space between you and seeing all the other stuff you have open
          • many things that affect the way that open tabs can be used as implicit "tasks"
            • arc handles this in some creative ways, with default archive (but their archive is shit)
        • in a sense I want the fundamental unit to be the intention, and then tabs and pages and apps are tools in service of the intention
          • and intentions here could include sort of exploratory fuck-around intentions
      • extensions
        • more powers, of various kinds
        • ability to remove sites
  • unit dev call w JF
      • his approach to internal conflict:
        • finding a sentence to write down that's the thing, in proposition form
        • M > the nature of the conflict?
        • yeah... thesis. often in quote marks
        • eg if deciding whether to stay for a job or move internationally
          • "this is not an opportunity you will get again"
        • externalize it, stake it
        • M > then you can investigate: is that true, what would it mean if it were...
      • M > so guessing that despite having this technique, you don't resolve all of your internal conflicts all the time automatically
        • so then a Q of "why not?"
        • J > exponential/fractal nature, expands to too many statements
      • M > in almost any negotiation, part of what is being negotiated over is the terms of negotiation
      • M > if there were a way to resolve internal conflicts that all parts of me felt good about, then they'd obviously want to use that method
        • (tautological)
        • but how would we find such a way?
        • well, if there were a way to FIND such a way, that all parts felt good about, then they'd obviously want to use that
        • and this fact is independently verifiable from each part's perspective
        • so any part will want to participate in negotiations that feel like they'll work for it, and not negotiations that feel like they won't
      • J > two phantom directions
        • was expecting you to tell me some conception of the meta-protocol
        • or something about understanding that frame negotiations are part of the thing
        • ...so yeah, was expecting you to present a method of frame negotiation
        • imagining a zipping up fractal coherence of parts
          • as a state of affairs for an inner parliament
          • M > yes, but it's less about having an approach that works for all time in all contexts (which is impossible and absurdly costly)
            • (example of friends resolving fight by yelling & wrestling, which works for them but wouldn't work for all)
            • and more about having a stance of finding what works for both/all-involved
              • and mutual recognition of this self-evident thing
              • (aha it's co-gnosis)
      • M > not a commitment but a recognition of fact
        • if it appeared to work, either
          • it was done in a way that worked for all of us
          • the appearance is an illusion
        • M > so explore making this move, from a part that really likes the propositional technique you mentioned earlier
          • of bringing that part into these recognitions
          • J > ...okay, something happened
            • held the two (liking propositions, self-evident need for satisfying all)
            • sense of shame that came up
            • then went for it again, with an inner conflict I'm working with
              • got a blinding white "NO"
              • so sense of projection
              • I would rather hold out in guerilla warfare than think about seceding or acquiescing
              • M > so find the part the NO was at
              • J > I was kind of in both
              • M > NO to each other? yeah
              • M > so seems like these parts don't have a sense that a win-win is possible
                • or don't trust the other not to hoodwink them on the way there
              • M > is there a way for them to recognize together that
                • IF there were a solution that fully satisfied both of them, ACTUALLY, they WOULD like that — they'd prefer that over the stalemate
                  • J > mmm, sense of lightness, grace, relief
            • M > a move here of like "well, it makes sense that you don't trust me and that you're digging in your heels while you don't trust me"
              • [J intense look on face, kinda still, stiff]
              • impressions, as they arose, were something like...
                • the part that has been getting its way... made contact with the sense of "I see why you wouldn't trust me"
                  • very emotive, sense of solidarity/progress
                  • then that part came down
                  • and there was a bringing in the part that was more antagonistic / not as much getting its way
                  • and brought the "I see why you wouldn't trust me" to that part
                  • and it was like "nah I'm in the right"
                  • and then the first part kinda backed up from the solidarity into a "fuck you"
                  • M > seems like the symmetry has shifted dramatically
              • this node of "I can see why you wouldn't trust me" feels interesting but doesn't fit back with the tree
                • M > well the sense that it makes that the other doesn't trust... comes from the recognition of the self-evident stuff
            • M > does it seem like the two parts do actually see this? [together]
              • J > let's see if I can fit all that in working memory...
                • they don't seem to be able to do that, quickly
                • seems like what I've been doing is feeling into the part, and bringing a thing in contact with it
                  • and it feels like this would be bringing both parts up AND the recognition
              • M > I could break it down
                • J > yeah, self-evident
                • M > now bring up part B... can you access the memory of that feeling self-evident to part A, moments ago?
                • J > ow
                  • uncomfortable, I seem to be flinching from understanding that part while embodying it from its perspective
                  • even being able to be in a state where...
                    • I'm imagining... a 6-party parliament, some new event
                    • figuring out coalitions
                    • for the parts to be able to interface with the full-fractal buy-in
                    • it's hard to do that when they can't even occupy consciousness
                      • M > together or at all?
                      • J > at all, from their own perspective
                      • M > yeah so maybe either the first part or some third as-yet-unnamed part is objecting to you taking the other part's perspective
                      • J > yeah could be part A but seemed more like the broader system
                        • when you get a flash of how someone else is seeing you, and it feels unacceptable
                        • not sure what part is rejecting what tho
                        • M > move of differentiation, like OH, you actually DO see me that way, and that doesn't mean I have to
    • J > that was quite helpful
      • M > say more?
      • have been intending to do / get into more IFS around this thing
      • so just kinda having time & space to take a full serious IFS approach to this situation was helpful
      • I imagine doing this with a therapist and not trusting them somehow
        • whereas I seem to trust you more
        • somehow didn't feel as serious as it would in a therapist's office
        • which somehow helped me take it more seriously
      • holding a gestalt of what it means to acknowledge that having a recursive method or process... then holding that either propositionally or in a felt-sense, while doing internal conflict resolution
        • seems promising