does it grow corn?

June 20th, 2024

• does it grow corn?
  • aka
    • = is it real?
    • = does it increase life? / does it serve life?
    • = does it solve the problem?
    • = does it usefully organize negentropy
  • definition has to anchor back in the first person
    • "what matters" can't be an objective definition
    • if you say "solve the problem" then you've baked in relevance
    • which has the problems pointed at by 2012 paper Relevance Realization and the Emerging Framework in Cognitive Science
    • but I think that's inherent to it; the aim is not to solve that part but to factor it out so it can be multiplied by something else that is clear
    • relevance × (... ... ...)
  • part of what's great about the growing corn frame is that it's like 0-1 in terms of simulacra levels
  • = is it solving a problem that exists without other minds?
    • what's really grounding about growing corn is you need to eat
    • intelligence as non-lifecycle-based adaptation
    • "the meme is not informing you what the problem is"
      • it informs on the level of strategies
      • analogue to NVC's strategies vs needs
    • "what's the real problem when you factor out the solution frame?"
      • "your problem is you might go to hell if you don't accept Jesus as lord and savior"
      • unwinding original spin
      • vibes with most problems are real; most solutions are shit
        • "every apparent problem/solution has something real to it—that's how it's able to grip you
        • but that doesn't mean the frame is telling you anything useful about what the problem is"
    • "problems are problems you can tell for yourself before you're given a frame"
      • me > what about the problem of calculus not integrating with the rest of math? (for the first 200 years)
      • "well, calculus is not saying that calculus needs to be plugged into the rest of math"
  • how can I tell if a problem is solved?
    • "does it actually work?"
    • do I have enough counter-space for the cooking I'm about to do?
    • am I saved by Jesus?
    • is my apartment a safe place for a toddler?
  • self-help has a baselessness
    • heideggerian problems? see nosilverv's thread
      • long thread by nosilverv, that talks about heidigger's present-at-hand and ready-to-hand and self-improvement requiring self-as-object, and 4chan
    • difference between "X" and "my conception/experience of X"
    • "the problem is solved" is not framed in terms of my conception of it
  • terminal goals, temptation to write-off
  • "problems are problems you can tell for yourself before you're given a frame"
    • original spin — in spirituality, the "your resistance is a problem"
      • you can't tell that it's a problem until they're telling you so
      • and then the only way you can tell is they're telling you
      • which is giving you a solution to a problem you couldn't tell you had before they gave you a solution
      • me > but sometimes it's "the reason you're hurting is your resistance"
        • which has a different issue, not this one
  • tracking "is it real" that go up a lot higher
    • eg the emotional torment of being stuck in naraka
      • if there's an intervention that can relieve the torment, that counts as growing corn
  • M > what about solving a problem someone doesn't know they have until it's solved?
    • but you can tell, after the solution was implemented, that a real problem was solved
  • "what is the problem that is being solved, by the solution that is being abstractly described as removing original spin?"
    • I mean, shoulding yourself in the foot
  • business is solving problems for other people
  • friddlydazmilagoolia
    • = you can't escape learning
    • = you can never solve all your problems
      • the issue arises when you try to be free of problems, rather than trying to be free of this problem