Malcolm Ocean's roamblog

March 30th, 2023

edited 2023-03-31 · open in Roam
    • recorded & on youtube
    • M > what practices required? are there more elements than simply being an effective sangha? collective meditation
    • P > was the first buddha also a sangha?
      • important elements, including... trees
        • Overstory novel
    • no-self & emptiness same thing
    • M > sense of opening/surrendering to something larger, but not necessarily EVERYTHING
      • can be like, a group
    • buddhist teaching
      • distinction
      • first interpreted these as a kind of metaphysics
        • but then realized buddhism is essentially phenomenology, and always have been
        • western confusion - nirvana as brain state
          • vs an experience
            • which IS a brain state from the physicalist paradigm
        • suspend physicalism, and
          • then phenomenological approach becomes experimental/empiricism
          • but this seems like the major obstacle for awakening for people
            • M > more than other dogmas?
            • P > maybe not
      • also first interpreted "ultimate" as more true
        • but it's also about being able to fluidly move between the two
      • bodhisattvas live in the action dimension
    • Iain McGilchrist - "not so much free will but free won't"
    • M >
    • P > Bernardo Castrop - big proponent of idealism rn
    • meta-paradigm
      • what would facilitate collective awakening?
      • not replacing physicalism with another paradigm
      • but ability to be fluid with paradigms
      • "the view from nowhere"
      • any framing is necessarily putting us at a slight remove from direct experience
      • P > bian ballace - first person science
      • P > I would question the "seeming"
      • P > colonized by LH-mode
        • language/math have done disappearing act
        • conflating map/territory
          • everybody knows this
          • but then ChatGPT... does it have anything you could call experience?
            • DALL-E etc trained on
    • ooh, law of excluded middle relates to perspective
    • M > sunsets, co-perception
    • P > I try to notice when I'm imposing frames on experience
      • and even "my frame" is a frame!
      • but speaking from my experience—whatever that means
      • practice I really like here
        • Douglas Harding's "having no head"
        • M > but how then... different perspective
    • Lyn Marguelis > everything is equally evolved
    • P > things in the way of collective experience
      • verbal stuff
    • M > parable of the canoe
      • ego
      • P > decades of training in individualism
        • has been a monk for 15 years, first went to plum village 9 years earlier, 1999
        • had SO MANY canoe-like experiences at plum village
        • definitely a sense of transcend & include happening at PV
          • not saying it isn't also happening somewhere else
    • Thich Nhat Hanh wasn't referring to just monks when talking about collective awakening
    • Life Itself program
    • Elinor Ostrum 8 core design principles
      • that she found in ALL (?!) communities she'd studied that were successfully avoiding tragedy of the commons (which btw has very little evidence)
      • and very overlapping with these 6 harmonies
    • Thich Nhat Hanh is the first monastic to revise the ruleset
  • in considering books I may write, here's a potential publisher that's relevant for obvious reasons: